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The Fine Line Between Help and Harm: Addressing Elder Financial Abuse

Law as stated: 17 October 2025 What is this? This episode was published and is accurate as at this date.
Leah Sewell, Barrister at Chalfont Chambers, joins David to unpack the hidden world of elder financial abuse. She explains how to spot warning signs, protect vulnerable clients and balance safeguarding with respecting independence.
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17 October 2025
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What area(s) of law does this episode consider?Elder abuse.
Why is this topic relevant?Elder financial abuse is one of those things that’s not always obvious (or even intentional) – but when it happens, the impact can be devastating. As more families help aging relatives with their finances, we’re seeing more cases where things just don’t feel right – savings disappearing, houses changing hands, or wills being rewritten under questionable circumstances.

The challenge for lawyers is knowing when to step in and what steps to take, especially if there is a concern about the wellbeing of an elder person. A sudden change to a power of attorney or a big financial decision made out of the blue might be a warning sign – but what if it’s actually what the client wants? And when mental capacity comes into play, things can get even trickier. Lawyers have to protect older clients without undermining their independence, and that’s not always easy.

So how do you navigate these situations? What legal tools are available? And what’s the best approach to handling cases of suspected elder abuse?

What legislation is considered in this episode?Aged Care Act 1997 (Cth) (Aged Care Act)
What cases are considered in this episode?Gibbons v Wright [1954] HCA 17

  • Gibbons and her sisters-in-law held land as joint tenants but the sisters later signed documents severing the joint tenancy despite questions about their mental capacity. The issue was whether the sisters had sufficient understanding of the nature and effect of the transaction, given that capacity varies with the complexity of the act in question. The High Court held that there is no fixed standard of mental capacity, only a relative test depending on the transaction.

Banks v Goodfellow (1870) LR 5 QB 549

  • John Banks made a will in favour of his niece despite suffering from mental illness and his heir-at-law challenged it on the basis of lack of capacity. The issue was whether Banks had sufficient mental capacity to validly dispose of his property by will, a question that also informs the standard for entering into other instruments such as a power of attorney. The Court held that capacity requires understanding the nature and effect of the act, the extent of one’s property, and the claims of potential beneficiaries free from delusions affecting judgment, and since Banks satisfied this, the will was valid.

Louth v Diprose [1992] HCA 61

  • Diprose, a solicitor with unimpaired legal and mental capacity, was infatuated with Louth, who manipulated his emotional dependence by fabricating an “atmosphere of crisis” to induce him to buy her a house in her name. The issue was whether a person with full intellectual capacity could nevertheless be under a “special disability” due to emotional dependence, such that the other party’s exploitation amounted to unconscionable conduct. The High Court held that Louth’s manipulation of Diprose’s vulnerability was unconscionable, confirming that even a person of sound mind can be unduly influenced where their emotional dependence places them at a special disadvantage.

Smith v Smith [2017] NSWSC 408

  • Two sons challenged their step-mother’s misuse of their father’s funds under an enduring power of attorney while he had dementia, which had significantly reduced the estate left to them. The issue was whether the step-mother’s actions under the power of attorney, particularly spending on herself and her daughter, were valid and whether the delay in raising the claim after the father’s death barred recovery. The Court found the step-mother’s spending improper and ordered the funds (including property bought for her daughter) restored to the estate.
What are the main points?
  • Elder abuse is often undetected until after the victim has passed away. One sign of abuse is restricting access to the victim.
  • Granny flat agreements, while not inherently elder abuse, can lead to financial exploitation, such as unexpected mortgages or inability to pay bills.
  • The legal concepts of undue influence and unconscionable conduct are often used to address elder abuse.
  • Capacity is a legal question, not medical, although medical evidence does play a part in assessing functioning.
  • Any interested party, such as a hospital, aged care facility or service provider, can bring legal proceedings in relation to a vulnerable person. Other individuals, including adult children and spouses, can also take legal action as they have a vested interest in the person’s welfare.
  • A power of attorney can be revoked and the court may appoint the NSW Trustee and Guardian to manage the estate.
  • The Aged Care Act has undergone significant changes, including the introduction of a new concept of a “responsible person,” which raises concerns about its interaction with state-based power of attorneys. This potentially creates opportunities for abuse if an individual appoints themselves as a responsible person without holding power of attorney or enduring guardianship.
What are the practical takeaways?
  • Transactions should only proceed if the person involved has full capacity and is entering voluntarily with independent legal advice. If capacity is in question, it is advisable to seek approval from the appropriate legal body, such as NCAT, to ensure the transaction is valid and protects the vulnerable individual involved.
  • Solicitors need to be careful in evaluating capacity as individuals may have varying levels of capacity for different decisions. It is recommended that solicitors ask open-ended questions to help in their assessment of capacity.
  • Elderly people may be unduly influenced, with contributing factors including age, cultural differences and linguistic barriers. Solicitors should be vigilant for signs of potential abuse, such as elderly clients always being accompanied by someone else during legal transactions and any subtle cries for help. Remain alert and always probe further if you suspect something is not right.
  • Open-ended questions, such as inquiring about who lives with or helps the individual with their banking, can help uncover potential signs of abuse without awkwardly confronting the individual.
  • The Aging and Disability Commission can be contacted to investigate and address any concerns of abuse by conducting unannounced visits and taking necessary steps based on the findings.
  • NCAT is well-known but many solicitors are not aware of the protective jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court can order quick actions like injunctions to protect against financial elder abuse, which may be crucial in cases where suspected abuse is occurring.
  • For proceedings with NCAT, it is often essential to provide medical information despite some doctors’ reluctance due to concerns about court involvement.
  • It is crucial for solicitors to recognise the power and importance of instruments like a power of attorney and ensure proper care and thorough explanation to clients. Providing written advice and explanations can help mitigate misconceptions and educate about the role and implications of powers of attorney.
Show notesNSW Ageing & Disability Commission Resources

Supreme Court of NSW, SC GEN 23, Use of Generative Artificial Intelligence Practice Note

DT = David Turner; LS = Leah Sewell; JM = Jacob Malby

00:00:00DT:Hello and welcome to Hearsay the Legal Podcast, a CPD podcast that allows Australian lawyers to earn their CPD points on the go and at a time that suits them. I’m your host, David Turner. Hearsay the Legal Podcast is proudly supported by Lext Australia. Lext’s mission is to improve user experiences in the law and legal services and Hearsay the Legal Podcast is how we’re improving the experience of CPD.

Elder financial abuse – it’s not always obvious, not always intentional even, but when it happens, the impact can be irreparable. As more families help their aging relatives with their finances, we’re seeing more and more cases where things don’t seem quite right – savings, disappearing, houses changing hands or wills being rewritten under questionable circumstances.

Now, the challenge for lawyers practicing in this area is knowing when to step in and how to do it the right way. A sudden change to a power of attorney or a big financial decision made out of the blue might be a warning sign but what if it’s actually what the client really wants? And when mental capacity comes into play, things can get. Even trickier lawyers have to protect older clients without undermining their independence and that’s not always easy.

So how do we navigate these tricky situations? What legal tools are available and what’s the best approach to handling cases of suspected elder abuse? What are the warning signs?

To break it all down. We are joined by Leah Sewell, barrister at Chalfont Chambers and a Trust and Estates practitioner with STEP. She’s also on the International Committee for STEP’s Mental Capacity Special Interest Group, so she’s deeply involved in this area.

Leah, thank you so much for joining me today on Hearsay.

00:01:46LS:Thank you.
00:01:47DT:Now before we get into the topic, it’s a really interesting topic and one we’ve touched on on the podcast before. I think it’s always useful to have a reminder about these things and we haven’t really talked about this almost diagnostic step in identifying elder abuse and financial abuse in particular but before we get into all of that, what drew you to working in this area? How did you come to be working in elder law?
00:02:07LS:Before coming to the bar, I was a sole practitioner for 12 years and I started out working from home and I was a former commercial litigator, so I really wanted to get into that sort of complexity of litigation. I had a passion for consumer protection and I think naturally it just fell into that space, wanting to get into the wills and estates litigation, which also I saw had this side element of elder law, or elder abuse in particular, dealing with questions of capacity and my father had frontal temporal dementia, which is an early onset dementia, so that may have also influenced me becoming interested in this area.
00:02:46DT:And in capacity issues, I suppose.
00:02:47LS:Yes.
00:02:48DT:Yeah. Tell me a bit about the intersection between wills and estates litigation and elder abuse. I suppose obviously there is that question of capacity – has the will that is being contested been made validly? What are some of the other issues that come up?
00:03:01LS:Well, some of the other issues is that often we don’t discover elder abuse until someone has died. It’s only then that there is access because one of the, I guess, red flags of elder abuse is someone cutting off access to the vulnerable person. So things like financial transactions that have occurred often only come to light when someone has passed away.
00:03:21DT:I suppose that’s the stage where there is some external or at least some heightened degree of scrutiny of what’s happening in the estate when it’s being liquidated and distributed.
00:03:32LS:That’s right. Yes. So suddenly when someone dies, they no longer own a property that you knew they had owned for 50 years. What happened to that? All bank accounts with suspiciously low balances. They’re some of the things that often only come to light after someone has passed away.
00:03:48DT:Now, we’ve used this term elder abuse a few times, including in the intro to the show. We haven’t really defined it. It has a pretty encompassing definition. We’re talking about the financial aspects of it at the moment. From the financial perspective, what are some of the behaviours or some of the activities that, I guess, constitute elder abuse?
00:04:06LS:Basically someone either having their will overborn in terms of financial transactions. So this includes anything from giving money to usually an adult child, it can be other people but more often than not, it is adult children, or selling their property and entering into what we call granny flat agreements. I should say granny flat agreements are a legitimate vehicle but they are increasingly an area that I think people have to be extremely careful with because they are subject to abuse. So that’s basically where an elder person sells their property and puts money into another property that they purchase with their children but they’re not on the title. So it’s a specific term for Centrelink purposes but it has all sorts of ramifications. So I just want to be clear: a granny flat agreement, per se, is not elder abuse but there are avenues and we have seen it where people are using it to upgrade their house on the guise that they might be looking after their elderly parent. There’s also circumstances where people have mortgages put on their property that they had no knowledge of. So whether they were purportedly a guarantor for someone, that’s another example. Or not being able to pay their bills, that’s usually another sign that happens is if someone suddenly isn’t able to pay their ordinary bills, like council rates or medical bills or things like that, that is another red flag that might indicate something’s going wrong.
00:05:24DT:I mean, I imagine it’s really impossible to give an exhaustive definition because there are so many forms that this behaviour can take. I suppose if you had to really generalise, it’s in the nature of a kind of undue influence over the elder person.
00:05:39LS:Absolutely. Undue influence and unconscionable conduct are the main tools we have in the legal sphere to assist when elder abuse happens but that is essentially what is happening. There are some cases where there’ve basically just been a case on undue influence but the conduct has been elder abuse.
00:05:57DT:You’ve been practicing in this area for some time, as you said, as a sole practitioner for nearly 12 years, you were also working in this and related areas. Do you think elder abuse is on the rise?
00:06:06LS:I think we’re becoming more aware of it and I think with an aging population, naturally it is going to rise because there are more elder people.

TIP:  Elder abuse in Australia is an issue of increasing concern, particularly in the context of a rapidly aging population. The 2021 census recorded 4.34 million Australians aged 65 and older, representing 70% of the population – a figure projected to rise significantly by 2026. This demographic shift underscores the importance of understanding the prevalence and characteristics of elder abuse.

The National Elder Abuse Prevalence Study found that 14.8% of older Australians had experienced at least one form of abuse in the previous year. Psychological abuse is the most common at 11.7%, followed by neglect, then financial abuse, physical abuse and sexual abuse. Financial abuse, while less frequently reported, is particularly insidious, often involving exploitation by close family members, most commonly adult children.

Women reported elder abuse at a slightly higher rate than men. 15.9% of elderly women versus 13.6% of elderly men. Women were particularly more likely to experience psychological abuse and neglect. Reports of financial abuse were similar across genders, but there were notable differences in their perpetrators.

Financial abuse is often hidden, making it difficult to detect and address, despite financial abuse. Accounting for 2.1% of cases in the study, experts believe under-reporting may mean the true prevalence is even higher. Perhaps the most significant finding is that family members were the primary perpetrators of financial abuse.

Over 60% of reported cases involve relatives with adult children being the most common offenders. This abuse can take many forms, as Leah explained earlier, but can include misuse of power of attorney and pressure to provide financial support. Certain demographic and social factors significantly increase an older person’s risk of experiencing financial abuse.

For example, older people with stepchildren were at a higher risk of psychological and financial abuse. Divorced individuals who were twice as likely to experience elder abuse while widowed and never-married individuals were also at an elevated risk. Low income, older Australians and those renting or owning homes with debt reported higher rates of financial abuse.

And finally, those with limited social networks were more vulnerable. Financial abuse rarely exists in isolation. One in five older Australians who reported multiple types of elder abuse, experienced financial abuse alongside psychological abuse perpetrators often struggled with personal problems. Over 75% had financial difficulties, mental health issues, substance abuse problems or gambling addictions.

00:08:30DT:I mean, one factor that could potentially contribute to the opportunity to commit elder abuse, I suppose, is that there are shortages in aged care homes and retirement living. There are cost of living pressures and housing cost pressures that we all experience at any age and I suppose that probably is contributing to more elderly people living with adult family, which just, again, there’s nothing untoward about that. It’s a good thing in most circumstances but I suppose it also gives a bad actor the opportunity to have access to that person and their finances in a way that they might otherwise not in a care environment.
00:09:09LS:That’s true but it’s also not necessarily “bad actors” as you put it.
00:09:13DT:That’s a great point.
00:09:14LS:It could be, for example, I did come across many years ago a granny flat situation where they didn’t take the effort to put the legal framework in place at the outset, which was unfortunate. Then what happened was we just had a breakdown in relationship. We had different expectations of the adult child and her family and the parent and so as is the want of human interactions, there was misunderstandings, communication issues that led to a complete breakdown, which meant the only option for the older person was to vacate the premises and that then put them in an extremely vulnerable situation. So, yes, looking at it from the end point, it did look like that the person had been taken advantage of and no doubt it was advantageous to the child but the intentions at the outset did seem to be quite genuine. So sometimes abuse can almost happen without much effort.
00:10:06DT:Yes. Yeah, no, it’s a good point and we briefly mentioned that in the intro but it’s important to draw it out that it’s not always intentional, right? Yeah. I think that label elder abuse is sinister.
00:10:15LS:Yes.
00:10:16DT:As are the causes of action, right? Undue influence, unconscionable conduct – it all sounds very intentional and in some of those cases, intention is an element but we are also describing and we know as litigators, this happens so often, very few people get out of bed planning to do something unconscionable, to do something unfair, fraudulent. Most people end up in these sorts of disputes because of miscommunication and changing priorities and intentions and understandings over time and I suppose there are many cases like that in elder abuse as well.
00:10:46LS:Yeah and also if we were to look at powers of attorney, for example, which essentially, at least in New South Wales, they manage the financial and legal affairs of a person, a very common misconception or misunderstanding about powers of attorney is that as an attorney you are not to mix your funds with the principal’s funds and the amount of times we come across matters where quite innocently people have mixed funds, it’s actually a breach of the power of attorney. It’s a breach of their fiduciary obligation to the principal. So again, it’s a case of where unwittingly and perhaps naively, they have breached a fundamental duty of powers of attorney.
00:11:25DT:Just to make the job easier, I think.
00:11:27LS:Exactly. Exactly but things happen where over time they forget. I’s just a natural thing and they’re just used to this bucket of money, forgetting that that bucket of money is a commingled bucket and should have always been two separate buckets.
00:11:41DT:I suppose a few years hence, you start to forget how much of the balance of that was mum’s originally and…
00:11:47LS:Yes. So that is a common misconception, yeah, that we come across.
00:11:52DT:I’m just, again, thinking about the drivers of these cases. There’s this term inheritance impatience, which, again, is part of our housing crisis in Australia and the cost of living, increasingly, people are looking to the assets they might one day hope to inherit to help them with the cost of living today and that is resulting in, I understand, some pressure on elderly people to give an early inheritance and to transfer assets to their children. Are you seeing those kinds of cases in your practice and where does the line get drawn between a conversation about that kind of transaction and exploitation that might be against the law?
00:12:31LS:Certainly we’re seeing those sorts of transactions. If the person has full capacity and are voluntarily entering into a transaction and everyone has their own separate independent legal advice, then, you know, the old adage; “you can do what you want with your money” still applies. However, capacity’s a big thing and again, it’s often misunderstood in this area and the other aspect is if the person doesn’t have capacity or there is a question mark over their capacity and you’re purporting to act on a power of attorney, even if the vulnerable person absolutely is dead set on this transaction occurring, a wise attorney would be getting the advice of either the protective jurisdiction of the Supreme Court or of the NCAT to basically approve or otherwise the transaction. There has been, in some decisions from the court, criticism of attorneys who, “oh but mum really wanted to give me the $250,000.” The counterpoint to that is, “well, you didn’t seek any approval of that transaction.”
00:13:32DT:Yeah.
00:13:32LS:But that’s where capacity is a bit of a question mark and cloudy issue.
00:13:36DT:Let’s talk about capacity. Now, there’s a lot of misconceptions around capacity and one of them is that it’s a boolean – you either have capacity or you don’t – but there’s really a spectrum of capacities depending on the nature of the transaction and the decision, right?
00:13:50LS:Absolutely and that goes back to the High Court case of Gibbons v Wright. What we see as a common issue, and even lawyers seem to get confused with this, is we’ve got the old Banks v Goodfellow test of testamentary capacity but that applies only to making a will. It does not apply to powers of attorney or other decisions that someone’s making during their lifetime and people often seem to rely on the Banks v Goodfellow test for whether or not someone had capacity to enter into a power of attorney.

TIP:  So Leah and David just spoke about power of attorney. A power of attorney is a legal power that allows a person, the principal, to appoint someone, the attorney, to make financial and legal decisions on their behalf. In Australia, there are two main types of powers of attorney:

  • A general power of attorney, which gives authority to an attorney to manage financial and legal matters, but only while the principal retains decision making capacity. It becomes invalid if the principal loses capacity or passes away; or 
  • an enduring power of attorney, which continues to be effective, even if the principal loses decision making capacity due to illness, injury, or disability. However, it also becomes invalid upon the principal’s death. 

Power of attorney can be used for various financial purposes, including signing legal documents, operating bank accounts, paying bills, managing investments and buying or selling real estate. In New South Wales, if a power of attorney involves real estate transactions, it must be registered with NSW Land Registry Services. 

A power of attorney can be revoked or updated at any time provided the principal has decision making capacity if revoked. Relevant parties, including the attorney and financial institutions should be notified in writing and the original document should be destroyed.

A power of attorney does so much more than what a will does. A power of attorney allows someone to deal with your assets without your consent during your lifetime, even if those transactions were not ones that you would want to happen and that’s a fundamental misunderstanding of the power that you are giving someone away and it’s also where things go wrong because people get these powers of attorney and they do things that they shouldn’t perhaps be doing.

00:15:55DT:Yeah and I suppose that misconception can mean that someone on advice is drawing the conclusion that their parent or another elderly person in their life has capacity to give a power of attorney, where maybe they don’t.
00:16:06LS:Yes and even in Protective List matters, I’ve been involved in matters where capacity’s definitely been in doubt, there’s been expert evidence that indicates the person does not have the capacity to provide instructions to their solicitor, yet they are represented in court by a solicitor and it’s like; “solicitor, where are you getting your instructions from in light of this report?” So it is something that can’t be understated, this issue of capacity. It is so decision-specific and transaction-specific. So yes, someone could have capacity to make a will but not to make a power of attorney or they could have capacity to make a will or not to enter into a granny flat agreement, for example, because they don’t have the ability to receive legal advice and weigh up the different competing concerns and the risks that might be involved in that transaction. Recently, I was in Rome speaking at STEP Global Congress on the issue of capacity and the use of AI and one of the aspects where AI perhaps could be used is in helping solicitors ask open-ended questions because we might think we’re asking open-ended questions but in a matter, I appeared in the solicitor had annexed a copy of the questions that asked and I could see just looking at it, they weren’t open-ended. They were very specific to the transaction but specific to the transaction proceeding. They didn’t look at the risks of the transactions or what would happen if the transaction didn’t go ahead and even the judge criticised the solicitor for saying those open-ended questions are really not that open.

TIP:  So Leah just mentioned the STEP Global Congress. STEP, or the Society of Trust and Estate Practitioners, is a global professional body that focuses on helping families plan for the future with an emphasis on asset protection, succession planning and compliance. One of STEP’s key initiatives is the Spot the Signs campaign that Leah was involved in.

The Spot the Signs Campaign provides resources to identify and prevent elder abuse. Abuse can often be difficult to detect, so steps. AIM is to create awareness and encourage proactive measures in addressing elder abuse. The Spot the Signs campaign offers guidance on recognizing financial abuse.

Some warning signs include:

  • unexplained withdrawals, transfers or changes in financial behaviour;
  • missing valuables or sudden alterations to wills and legal documents;
  • isolation of the individual from family or trusted advisors;
  • pressure to sign financial agreements or make decisions against their best interests; and
  • unpaid bills despite having sufficient resources.

STEP highlights the importance of planning ahead to reduce the risk of financial abuse.

00:18:39DT:One thing that I’ve always found interesting about the factual issue of capacity is that there’s this uneasy handoff from the expert medical evidence to the conclusion about which transaction or not falls within the capacity that the treating physician or the doctor has opined that they might have capacity to enter into. Where does the expert’s job end and the court’s job begin in drawing a conclusion about; “this person has capacity to enter into the granny flight agreement but not the power of attorney, the will but not the granny flat agreement,” that kind of decision, because it’s on the one hand, an empirical and medical observation about someone’s state of cognitive ability but then I suppose in many cases, we have this challenge, right, of handing off a factual assertion from one domain into our system of legal reasoning but it’s an abrupt one to me when it comes to capacity because that medical evidence around cognition so clearly and singularly influences the legal conclusion.
00:19:43LS:Well, I guess in answer to that, capacity is a legal test. It’s not a medical test and so the medical evidence is only part of the factual matrix. The important aspect of the medical evidence is to look at executive functioning, so that’s not necessarily an obvious thing like memory loss might be. So the medical evidence is just there to assist the court. The usual balance of probabilities is the usual test but to say someone does not have capacity is actually quite a big thing.
00:20:15DT:Yeah. You’d think your Briginshaw kind of standard applies there. Yeah, exactly.
00:20:19LS:So, the court is going to be careful and that’s why the medical evidence, particularly around executive functioning, it is there to look into avenues that aren’t necessarily apparent in just a conversation to someone so that a solicitor may not necessarily pick up in a normal conference with a client. These are more testamentary decisions but there are decisions where even though the medical evidence is quite strongly; “this person did not have testamentary capacity,” that the courts have gone; “yeah, okay,” but they can look at what has influenced the expert to come to that conclusion and if they feel that they’ve gone A+B=D or F, for example, then the judge will say, well, I’m going to not put as much weight on that evidence.

TIP:  So Leah just spoke about experts presenting evidence regarding a person’s mental capacity in cases involving elder abuse and questions of mental capacity. Expert medical evidence is crucial in determining whether an individual had the capacity to make legal decisions at any given time. This evidence is often provided through retrospective expert opinion.

Particularly when the individual in question can no longer be assessed firsthand. Experts in these cases typically include neuropsychologists, neurologists, geriatricians and psychiatrists. Retrospective expert evidence is used when an expert has not personally observed the individual at the time a transaction took place.

Instead, the expert reviews contemporaneous documents such as medical records, legal documents, and witness statements, and applies their specialist knowledge to form an opinion on the person’s capacity. This is under section 79 of the Evidence Act 1995

Retrospective expert evidence requires court approval, however, this process can increase costs and delay proceedings. Courts have also expressed concerns about its reliability. In Starr v Miller [2021] NSWSC 426, Hallen J noted that evidence from treating practitioners is generally given more weight than retrospective evaluations. Hence, Leah mentioning that the judge might give expert evidence little weight, especially where other implied assumptions are relied on that may be based on external factors like personal bias.

So in terms of finding out whether they had capacity to enter into certain transactions. It is a finely balanced thing at times but the court will look at what type of transaction we are looking at. For example, someone might have the financial capability to go down to the supermarket and buy a loaf of bread and a litre of milk. They don’t have capacity to enter into a decision to sell their property and you can see intrinsically those transactions are very different. One is quite innocuous, part of everyday living and the other one is a transaction that some people may only engage in once or twice in their life.

00:22:50DT:Yeah.
00:22:51LS:And are big financial decisions.
00:22:53DT:Yeah. These capacity questions can come up in all kinds of cases but one challenge with elder abuse is that capacity is only part of the story, I suppose. It’s possible for a person to have capacity to make a decision but then be subject to the undue influence of another person. We know from cases like Louth v Diprose that a person with completely unimpaired capacity can be unduly influenced. So how do those two factors interact and in what ways are they confounding – that the presence of undue influence can make it harder to make an assessment of capacity, the presence of diminished capacity can make it harder to form a conclusion about undue influence. How do they interact?
00:23:33LS:Well, I guess with undue influence, one of the tests is the disparity in positions of power. So, in the context of elder abuse, that is a elderly person, they don’t have to be diagnosed with anything. So just by sheer age, they could be deemed vulnerable. More, particularly if there are other factors like cultural and linguistic differences. So people from non-English speaking backgrounds, I think should have a brighter spotlight put on them to make sure that undue influence isn’t there and if they’re always accompanied by someone. So if someone else is organising lawyers, appointments with banks and things like that, if that person’s always with them, then that should raise a red flag to anyone dealing with that person that maybe something isn’t quite what it seems is going on. Of course, some people of very advanced years in their nineties may not be being undue influenced but need someone to transport them and someone helps them. It doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s an abusive transaction. So, look, it is incredibly nuanced as to what to look for but I think it’s just being alert and I think as solicitors and barristers, mainly solicitors, you’re sort of at the coalface in a way, when people are coming to you to enter into a conveyancing transaction, there’s little things to look out for that might just require further probing to make sure the person who might own the house, if everything’s being done through an attorney or everything’s being communicated with another person because the elderly person might not have email, the solicitor or conveyancer should be on alert to go, “just need to check, verify everyone’s identity.” I had, as a solicitor, come across cases where people were being unduly influenced and usually in the will writing context, they would try and do things like deliberately spell people’s names wrong because they thought that would invalidate things but it was their subtle way of essentially crying for help, saying “I’m in a situation here that I don’t know how to get out of.” So, yeah, it is one of those areas. I don’t think we have an answer for that at this point in time.
00:25:33DT:Some of the things you’re describing there, language difficulties, someone else speaking for you to banks and solicitors, you know, that’s basically Amadio, right. In a nutshell, so it equally applies to unconscionability.
00:25:44LS:Absolutely.
00:25:45DT:I think one of the challenges for solicitors in this situation, so much can go unchallenged out of politeness, right, that there’s this sense that you don’t want to rock the boat, you don’t want to accuse someone of something, again, because this is such a sinister label, right, where you don’t feel sure. Do you have any tips around practical techniques you can use to raise some of these issues in a less confrontational way to gather more information?
00:26:12LS:Yeah, absolutely. That’s where asking open-ended questions and they might be really innocuous questions that have nothing to do with the transaction like “who lives with you? Who helps you with your bank?” So broader questions that might not be specific to the transaction. I mean, obviously you would never say, “I just want to check that you’re not being abused,” for example, but looking into that. I mean, if there are concerns there are resources that solicitors or anyone can actually reach out for and for example, the Ageing & Disability Commission, because if there is sufficient information provided to them, they will actually investigate and pay an unannounced visit to the person to determine whether or not there is any sort of abuse going on and if there is, they will take steps. So that’s an example. As I said, it is incredibly hard and this is why sometimes we don’t pick up abuse until the person’s passed away and then we get that sort of bird’s eye view into their finances with the contemporaneous third party documents, like bank statements and mortgage documents.
00:27:17DT:So far we’ve been talking about how to diagnose or see the red flags with a transaction before it happens, right? You’re advising a person on granting a power of attorney and trying to understand whether or not it’s an appropriate thing to happen in those circumstances but we’ve also acknowledged in this interview that what seems like a good idea or is a good idea at first, can quickly become not so good if the relationship changes or expectations change and it can become a situation of abuse. Power of attorneys are, I guess, a particular potent example here because it feels like and is such an extraordinary grant of power to another person over your financial life. What checks and balances are there to keep a power of attorney accountable and responsible to their principal?
00:28:05LS:Well, I mean, most people seem to know about the New South Wales Civil Administrative Tribunal or NCAT, however, what a lot of people, including solicitors don’t seem to know about is the protective jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. So Justice Lindsay is the Protective List judge and we can get a matter up in front of him like an injunction. So, if there is something happening that you’re aware of, you need to act quickly and get up in front of the judge and he will order an ex parte injunction and do a very fast turnaround. In matters where there is suspected financial elder abuse, obviously the key is to focus on the interests of the protected person and the Protective List certainly is a vehicle in which that is very much the focus and inquiries are more likely to be made into the transactions. In my own personal experience in dealing with NCAT matters, I have found that more often than not, NCAT will elect to not do a review of a power of attorney but will put that to one side and just appoint a financial manager, whereas sometimes you really do need that power of attorney to be dealt with one way or another. So, I mean, obviously I can’t give too many examples because of the nature of the protective jurisdiction but this includes financial transactions about to be entered into, such as giving a lot of money to someone or entering into aged care almost against their will, removal from someone’s care, which is straying a little bit out of the financial aspect but it’s still how people try and exert things, people getting powers of attorney under the sort of dubious circumstances. The biggest mistake people make is not acting when something happens and I think in this sort of area, fast action is warranted to protect that elder person.
00:29:50DT:Yeah and just practically who has standing to bring that application on short notice? Because I suppose you’ve got the person who’s really affected by the decision is the elderly person, the person who’s abusing the power of attorney is the one who’s can sort of commence proceedings on their behalf. They have that power almost by definition, because the elderly person doesn’t have capacity to instruct their own solicitors – maybe they do but in circumstances where that is a diminished capacity – do other adult children have standing to bring a proceeding like that. If you know that your parent seems to be being mistreated or their finances are being mismanaged by someone with a power of attorney who can bring those proceedings and, as a solicitor, how do you get comfortable that the person who’s instructing you has the ability to give you instructions and has standing to instruct you to bring the proceeding?
00:30:37LS:So, the short answer is any interested person can bring proceedings in relation to a vulnerable person. So that can include a hospital, an aged care facility, a retirement village manager, any sort of service provider can. More often than not, we do see hospitals and potentially aged cares do bring applications in NCAT but normally, yeah, other adult children, a spouse, anyone who has an interest in that person’s welfare can bring an action.
00:31:04DT:Yeah, okay. That makes sense actually. I suppose I had thought of it in the context of familial relationships and it makes much more sense that, especially where there might be a family member who is the primary point of contact, who is likely the defendant in that scenario, that it would be a service provider, a professional in aged care or a healthcare provider who’s identifying that behaviour. And then that’s the interim remedy, right, that prevents these deleterious transactions from happening. What’s the final remedy? What can the court do about that power of attorney on a more permanent basis?
00:31:35LS:Well, the court can revoke the power of attorney but more often than not what will happen is that the court will appoint or commit the estate to management by the Trustee and Guardian. Now, a lot of people bristle at the thought of the trustee and guardian being appointed but often it is the best outcome because the Trustee and Guardian take that particular role very seriously and in my experience, for starters in court proceedings, a representative of New South Wales Trustee and Guardian will usually attend and the court can direct that a special visitor go out and see the vulnerable person to try and find out all the versions of events because, as we all know, there’s lots of different perspectives to the same thing that’s going on. So, that special visitor goes out and gets that information. The Trustee and Guardian, in my experience in this aspect of court proceedings, they do tend to act fairly promptly, provide reports to the court and to the parties as to what’s going on and to recommendations as to what should happen in the future. Now, that can be either on a temporary basis or more permanently, however, as Justice Lindsay always says, protective list proceedings are never finalised. There’s always liberty to relist because those orders need to be there for as long as possible and things might change. More flexibility might need to be imputed into what needs to happen just depending on how life changes, yeah.
00:32:58DT:Interesting. It is useful to talk about the protective jurisdiction more, as you say. I think a lot of people think about NCAT as the natural forum for litigating these sorts of issues but it sounds like there’s, one, availability there to bring an application on short notice in these urgent circumstances but also that broad power that a superior court can exercise.
00:33:19LS:Yeah, and it’s nothing like any other form of litigation and I think even as a barrister, I have seen other barristers with years of excellent commercial experience really lose their footing in the protective jurisdiction because that’s not how it’s run. It’s not a case of filing competing sets of affidavits and submissions on case law. It’s not run like that at all. It is literally multiple directions hearings, which might go for an hour or even two hours with wanting to work out what is in the best interests of the person, what has happened, what needs to happen. So if there’s imminent transactions, then the court will not necessarily say, “well, that transaction’s wrong,” but we’ll do what needs to be done to properly assess that transaction as to whether or not it’s in the best interest of the person to enter into it. So, it’s hard to explain and I think most litigators do struggle with understanding. It is quite a different jurisdiction, although on the one hand it’s an informal jurisdiction but on the other hand it’s quite formal because it is a list that we are required to robe in. So yes, it can be a little bit confusing to get your head around.
00:34:21DT:Yeah, I mean, I know, as a bit of an aside, experienced advocates in one list of the Supreme Court can find themselves in a very different world just around the corner at Hospital Road or somewhere else. When I was at the bar, I did a lot of Corporations List and general commercial equity work and every now and then when I was a reader, I’d get sent down by someone to Justice Lindsay’s list in family provision, not in the protective jurisdiction and you could really tell who was used to being there and used to the particular cultural traits of that list and who wasn’t and I was definitely one of the ones who wasn’t.
00:34:53LS:I think that’s still rings true. So, yes. Yeah.
00:34:56DT:You know, I think just about every lawyer works in an interdisciplinary team no matter their practice area, even in commercial law, we work with financial planners and accountants and I imagine in elder law and elder abuse, that’s no different. Even outside of a dispute or a legal issue, elderly people have many different supports, or hopefully have supports around them, care providers, healthcare providers, in home care, friends and family. What role do those disciplines of support for an elderly person play when a dispute like this comes up? And what other disciplines of professional do you get involved in the event of a dispute to have that holistic picture around what’s happening and trying to identify whether or not something abusive is going on?
00:35:41LS:Well, I guess for starters, probably someone who is being subjected to elder abuse is not really receiving additional support.
00:35:50DT:That’s one of those red flags.
00:35:51LS:So it’s one of those red flags because they’re fairly isolated, so that increases their vulnerability. It allows someone to come in and take over.
00:35:58DT:And that is one of those things, we were talking about ,ore innocuous ways of identifying a red flag, that is one of those things that you could conceivably ask, right? Who comes to see you in the week?
00:36:07LS:Exactly, yes.
00:36:07DT:Right? Do have someone to come and check on you from a health perspective?
00:36:11LS:Yes.
00:36:12DT:You know, for physio, that sort of thing.
00:36:13LS:So I guess if you were in proceedings and you were needing other input before Justice Lindsay, often, not always but often there will be an order that the person is subjected to a medical expert assessment, so usually a neuropsychologist or a geriatrician specialising in cognitive impairment issues. I personally have found when I was a solicitor that doctors generally don’t want to get involved. So, you might try and talk to treating doctors and indeed, for NCAT, they want that information but a lot of doctors don’t want to get involved because they hear “court, litigation” and they just shut down.
00:36:47DT:Yeah.
00:36:47LS:But if you’ve had a medical expert through court order, then that person obviously becomes a witness and can assist the court. If a financial transaction does need to happen, then you could consider special financial advice. There are financial planners that do specialise in looking at aged care options. So, it’s not just a matter of; “they have to go into aged care, therefore we have to sell the house.” It’s looking at all sorts of different options that put the vulnerable person in the best position. What is in their best interest is if we do this rather than that. So that’s someone that could be engaged to assist but yeah, generally speaking, the cases that you see are where they have been reasonably isolated and dependent upon the person that ultimately is conducting the abuse.
00:37:30DT:Yeah. Speaking of options, I suppose like any other area of litigation, there’s a desire and an encouragement to try to resolve issues without a final hearing, if that can at all be achieved. What role do alternative dispute resolution pathways play in elder abuse matters and is there a limit to the extent to which you can use them? Because there might be a dynamic to the relationship or even a capacity issue that prevents a robust negotiation from happening.
00:37:58LS:Yeah, look, this is a jurisdiction in which you generally aren’t going to get ordered to engage in alternative dispute resolution because the whole reason you’re, I guess, before the court is there has been a fundamental breakdown and there is someone at risk and so the question is, is it in the interests of the person at risk for there to be a mediated settlement? So, generally speaking, you don’t get ordered to do mediation. In my experience, the only sort of thing the parties could really agree to would be they would agree to the appointment of a financial manager or agree to the committing of the estate to the New South Wales Trustee and Guardian. It’s sort of a little bit challenging, I guess, to see what other outcomes they could be. I mean, I do have a fairly commercial matter before the court at the moment. It’s not in the Protective List, it’s in the General Equity List and that at the moment is running very much like a commercial litigation matter but I think that matter ultimately will be ordered for a mediation and because in that matter we allege that there’s an elderly person, doesn’t speak English and suddenly a mortgage appeared on his property but we allege that he has not received anything for that. So, that’s obviously quite a commercial sort of nature and it’s an unfair contract claim, so you can see that that does have prospects for an alternative dispute resolution process, whereas when you’re looking at people entering into an improvident transaction, there’s also often not the time that alternative dispute resolution would need to come to something. Yeah and I guess with elder abuse matters, in my experience, you’ve usually got the party that’s alleged to be abusing the person saying, “no, no, they’re fine. They’ve got capacity.” And you’ve got the other party saying, “no, they’re not. You’re taking advantage of it.” And of course, they’re saying “no.” So, you can’t really compromise that sort of outcome. The parties see it quite black and white. The court is ultimately going to find it either is or it isn’t. So that’s where again, the court will try and just put in place mechanisms to protect the vulnerable person. So yeah, that’s another aspect of how different this sort of litigation can be.
00:39:54DT:It sounds like all you can really do by consent or by negotiation is the case management aspect.
00:39:58LS:Yes. Yep.
00:39:59DT:At the top of the episode, we talked about some of the social and economic developments that might be driving an increase in or a change in the nature of elder abuse. What are the recent legal developments and reforms that lawyers who are maybe not working in this area but might be trying to stay alive to the risk or the red flags should be aware of?
00:40:20LS:The Aged Care Act has been significantly changed and I believe it’s due to coming to effect on the 1st of July. The Aged Care Act is introducing this concept of a responsible person. So, there is a big question mark as to how this federal legislation is going to interact with state-based power of attorneys and I think the short answer to that is we don’t know and that’ll be something to keep watch because, I guess, at least from the practitioner level and this is certainly something that I’ve been talking to solicitor practitioners about recently is that consensus seems to be that there’s a bit of a disconnect and there’s an avenue for potential abuse. If someone has managed to appoint themselves as a responsible person, they don’t necessarily hold the power of attorney or enduring guardianship. So, if the aged care facility can talk to that responsible person, what safeguards are there that they are the right responsible person to be speaking to?
00:41:11DT:Yeah. It’s this administrative route to something that looks very much like a power of attorney without all of the legal protections that accompany an appointment like that.

TIP:  In November, 2024, the Australian Parliament passed the New Aged Care Act, and as Leah mentioned, that took effect from the 1st of July, 2025. It’s a major overhaul replacing three existing pieces of Commonwealth legislation, the first being the Aged Care Act 1997. Also, the Aged Care (Transitional Provisions) Act 1997 and the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission Act 2018.

The goal is to create a more person centred system that puts older Australians, not providers, at the core of aged care. Dor lawyers working in this area of law, especially in cases where elder abuse intersects with questions of care, this new legislation may significantly affect how rights are identified and enforced.

One key shift is the introduction of a rights based framework, including a formal statement of rights for people accessing aged care. That includes rights to self-determination, culturally safe care and feeling respected and secure. This Act also introduces a clearer pathway for complaints and rights.

Aged care providers are required to have systems for managing complaints and issues can be escalated directly to the Aged Care Quality and Safety Commission. The Commission is gaining broader powers too, ranging from enhanced monitoring to issuing fines or civil penalties. 

For the first time, whistleblowers, including aged care workers and family members are explicitly protected. They can report breaches anonymously and their identities will be protected unless disclosure is necessary to prevent harm or comply with any legal obligations. Retrospective concerns like those often raised in elder abuse matters could intersect with these changes. 

The Act strengthens the expectation that providers document and demonstrate that their care aligns with the new rights based obligations, offering new avenues to challenge or scrutinise past care decisions.

It’s a significant legislative shift and it’s worth staying across how this may reshape the landscape of complaints, accountability and rights protection in aged care.

00:43:01LS:But in terms of practitioners wanting to, I guess, find out more about this is looking at some of the decisions. Some of them go back a few years but they look at the different decision making, what a power of attorney they need to do and the role of an attorney, knowing the fiduciary obligations that attorneys have and really understanding those additional powers that can be given in the power of attorney. So, for example, the power to give things, the power to allow an attorney to use your funds for their own reasonable living expenses or the power for someone else. Now, really, those powers should only be given in very limited circumstances because those really are the key areas that are open to abuse but even saying that even if those powers are there but someone has kicked the person into aged care but it’s living in the property rent free, then there are avenues that NCAT or the court could actually stop that.
00:43:51DT:Yeah, absolutely. This is one of these areas that I imagine a little bit like family law or crime is both something that you might get into for a personal reason because it speaks to you or an experience that you have but is also a really rewarding and impactful area of practice on the lives of individual people. For anyone who’s listened to this episode and thinks, I want to do some of this work, I want to try and get involved, what are some of the ways that they can do that?
00:44:15LS:Really know and understand powers of attorney and what can go wrong, what to look for, what the red flags are, knowing the cases and some of the cases aren’t recent cases, so you do have to go back a bit but they apply and they are readily used by the court. To just become, I guess, aware of the nuances of mental capacity. You can really not understate the benefit of CPD presentations but particularly ones where they look into one particular aspect of this area of law. Just because you might be doing retirement village contracts doesn’t mean that you then can know the level of capacity for a power of attorney. The temptation with powers of attorney is they are standard forms. So I think practitioners can sometimes not take the time to read the standard form and including reading the notes at the back and I think if you look at some of the decisions, particularly of Justice Lindsay but he’s not alone, one that comes to mind is the decision of Smith v Smith, where he actually looks at that back information of the power of attorney and basically people are taken to have read that. So, learning to take more time with clients and with attorneys witnessing, I mean, there is a disconnect in our law in New South Wales whereby an attorney’s acceptance to a power of attorney does not need to be witnessed. I don’t encourage that sort of a practice because you have to make sure that the witness has actually read and understood that back information and if they haven’t, well the court’s going to presume that they have because the information’s there. So, you need to know what that information is so that you can be properly advising both the principal and the attorney as to what their responsibilities and obligations are.
00:45:54DT:But it’s a great point because I think with standard form documents or short documents, there’s this kind of illusion of explanatory depth problem that we have, right? :Oh, this is easy,” right? “This is a standard form. This doesn’t deserve as much of my attention as the 40 page contract,” but the length of the document might be concise but the impact of signing it is enormous.
00:46:11LS:Yes and I think that’s something that’s easily overlooked, that these are extremely powerful instruments and care should be taken. Don’t charge $100 to do them, charge an hourly rate to do it because you’re going to need that time with your client and put advice in writing as well. Cover yourself too by putting that advice in writing so that you know that you have taken the time to explain what a power of attorney is and what the person can do. There is just so much misconception out there, both at the public level and in the profession. So, the more education, the better.
00:46:46DT:Yeah and we were talking earlier about the importance of the medical evidence but the importance of that evidence and contemporaneous documentary evidence from a solicitor about what questions did you ask and what inquiries did you make and how did you satisfy yourself that this was prudent? That is incredibly important and I’ve seen matters in my own practice that have been saved or ruined on that evidence.
00:47:06LS:Yeah, absolutely and I think that’s a good point too. Going back to what I was speaking about at STEP Congress and the use of AI to assist in terms of asking open questions. Now we have to be mindful of the Supreme Court’s Generative AI Practice Note. It’s important that you keep good records of any generative AI that you’ve used to assist you because if that matter ever goes to court, you’re going to have to seek leave from the court to use that to annex it to an affidavit. So, it’s better keeping contemporaneous records and really you cannot underestimate a really good file note of when you are making powers of attorney.
00:47:42DT:Yeah. So often we fail to take good file notes or any at all and AI note taking tools are a great way to remedy that and already I see a lot of meetings where no one will take notes because we’ve got AI transcription of that meeting but you’re right, I hadn’t actually thought about this, anytime you want to use that evidence of the meeting, that will be subject to the Supreme Court’s Generative AI Practice Note and you will need to be able to disclose that and that may have an impact on the credibility of the evidence. Well, some great tips there on upskilling in this area. Leah, thank you so much for joining me today on Hearsay.
00:48:13LS:Thanks for having me. Thank you.
00:48:15JM:As always, you’ve been listening to Hearsay the Legal Podcast. We’d like to thank our guest today, Leah Sewell, for coming on the show.  Now if you want ti know more about elder abuse, check out our episode with Adeline Schiralli ‘The Basics of Elder Law’. That one is episode 18, way back in the archives.

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