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The Great Wealth Transfer: Harmonising Family Law and Estate Planning

Law as stated: 6 September 2024 What is this? This episode was published and is accurate as at this date.
Niki Schomberg, Senior Associate in the Family & Relationship Law group at Lander & Rogers, and Chelsea Baker, Senior Associate in the Wills & Estates team at Mullins Lawyers, sit down with David to discuss the impending intergenerational wealth transfer in Australia. As the nation prepares for this unprecedented event, Niki and Chelsea shed light on the importance of seamlessly integrating family law and estate planning. Discover the legal intricacies and practical strategies needed to safeguard clients' wealth and ensure their wishes are honoured through binding financial agreements and comprehensive estate plans.
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6 September 2024
Niki Schomberg & Chelsea Baker
1 hour = 1 CPD point
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Why is this topic relevant?Australia is on the brink of experiencing the largest intergenerational wealth transfer in its history, which also coincides with increasing rates of separation, divorce, and blended families. It’s important to understand the interplay between family law and estate planning, as they both play a major role in the distribution of assets and the resolution of family disputes. By grasping how family law agreements, such as Binding Financial Agreements (BFAs), intersect with succession planning, individuals can ensure their estate plans are comprehensive and enforceable, and can be better prepared for the coming wealth transfer.
What legislation is considered in this episode?Family Law Act 1985 (Cth)

Succession Act 1981 (Qld)

Succession Act 2006 (NSW)

What cases are considered in this episode?Kozak v Matthews [2007] QCA 296

  • Peter Kozak, a farm labourer in a de facto relationship with wealthy Jacqueline Messer, entered into a BFA to prevent claims against each other’s estates. Messer had terminal cancer and died shortly after. Kozak then made a Family Provision Application claim against her estate, seeking enough funds to buy a house. The Supreme Court of Queensland, led by Justice Helman, ruled that the BFA was not binding but dismissed Kozak’s claim, concluding that adequate provision had been made for him. The decision was based on Kozak’s financial position, the size and nature of Messer’s estate, and the legitimate claims of other beneficiaries. Although Kozak argued he had not read the deed or received legal advice, the Court of Appeal found he understood its effect. The court unanimously dismissed the appeal, affirming that adequate provision had been made for Kozak.

Singer v Berghouse [1994] HCA 40

  • The High Court considered an appeal regarding the appellant’s claim for family provision from her deceased husband’s estate under the Family Provision Act 1982 (NSW). Singer, the widow, had been married to the deceased for 11 months before his death. His will, reflecting an ante-nuptial agreement, stipulated that property acquired before their marriage would pass to his son, while Singer would receive proceeds from post-marriage acquisitions. Despite Singer’s submissions regarding her health challenges and limited earning capacity after moving to Sydney for her husband, the court ruled against her claim, finding she had not sufficiently demonstrated a lack of adequate provision.
What are the main points?
  • It is vital to consider each client’s individual interests and needs, specifically when dealing with intergenerational wealth transfer and international assets.
  • Estate planning involves updating documents post-separation, preserving assets during property settlements, and addressing contributions to the estate on death.
  • Estate planning requires thorough assessment of various factors like superannuation, trust structures, businesses, taxation, and international laws.
  • Drafting a BFA is a formal process with technical requirements, such as the requirement that both parties must seek independent legal advice. BFAs need regular review, especially after significant life events like the birth of a child. It is easier to address changes while the relationship is stable, rather than dealing with issues upon separation.
  • The division of property in a BFA depends on how it is drafted. Property held solely by one party remains theirs upon separation. Jointly held property can be divided equally or according to each party’s contribution. The specifics of property division, such as in joint tenancy or tenants in common, should be outlined in the BFA based on the intentions and drafting.
  • In New South Wales, spouses can release claims, but this is not possible in Queensland, where claims for further provision cannot be contracted out of. The court considers various factors, including contributions made by the claiming spouse to the deceased’s assets, in determining provisions. Claims in equity are also available in relation to the claiming spouse’s financial contributions.
  • In Australia, there are no provisions that exclude inheritances or gifts from the property pool for division between spouses, unlike some overseas jurisdictions like the UK.
  • Statements of wishes, declarations, and affidavits do play a role in estate planning as they provide insight into the testator’s intentions regarding the distribution of assets among beneficiaries. While these documents are not legally binding, they can influence the division of gifts. However, they are subject to scrutiny and can be challenged in court, especially if poorly prepared, potentially leading to successful claims for further provision.
What are the practical takeaways?
  • In the initial stages with clients, the conversation often revolves around planning for the best-case scenario. Later, it is important to help your clients prepare for all possibilities to ensure they are well-equipped for any future needs that may arise.
  • Parents may consider involving their child in a BFA to protect gifts, such as having a loan agreement in place for funds given for property purchases to ensure the money returns to the parent in case of separation.
  • When discussing the pool of assets that a child receives gifts or money from family, it is important to consider the contribution made by the child’s parents. While the child may receive credit for their contribution, it is unlikely to be a dollar-for-dollar return unless there is a BFA in place that specifies such arrangements.
  • If an estate is not closed off properly, it may never be able to be wound up, which may be an exhausting process for beneficiaries. The duration of this process varies, some estates can even take years to finalise. It is essential to address this issue promptly to avoid prolonged delays in the estate settlement.
  • Networking and staying in contact with colleagues, including financial advisors and accountants, is crucial for family and succession lawyers dealing with clients with significant asset pools.
  • Subscribing to professional memberships, which often provide access to specialised educational materials, also helps in staying updated and informed in the field.
Show notesBaker, Chelsea and Niki Schomberg, ‘Estate and family law planning for the “great wealth transfer”’ (2024) Law Society Journal

DT = David Turner; NS = Niki Schomberg; CB = Chelsea Baker

00:00:00DT:Hello and welcome to Hearsay the Legal Podcast, a CPD podcast that allows Australian lawyers to earn their CPD points on the go and at a time that suits them. I’m your host, David Turner. Hearsay the Legal Podcast is proudly supported by Lext Australia. Lext’s mission is to improve user experiences in the law and legal services, and here’s how the legal podcast is how we’re improving the experience of CPD.

Australia is on the brink of experiencing the largest intergenerational wealth transfer in its history, which also coincides with the increasing rates of separation, divorce, and blended families, and in our episode today, we’re going to be exploring the complex interplay between family law and estate planning.

Our guests, Niki Schomberg and Chelsea Baker, are here to shed light on the evolving landscape of Binding Financial Agreements and estate claims and the strategic considerations for ensuring client wishes are carried out on separation and/or death.

Niki Schomberg is a Senior Associate in the Family and Relationship Law Group at Lander & Rogers bringing a wealth of experience in advising clients on complex family law matters, and Chelsea Baker is a senior associate in the Private Client Group, the Wills and Estates division of that group at Mullins Lawyers, specialising in estate planning, administration, and contested litigation. Both Niki and Chelsea offer unique perspectives on the integration of family and estate law, providing valuable insights for legal practitioners and individuals navigating these intricate legal landscapes.

Niki and Chelsea, thank you so much for joining me today on Hearsay.

00:01:42NS:Thank you for having us.
00:01:43CB:Thanks, David.
00:01:44DT:Now, before we get into this topic, and it’s a really interesting topic to talk about a kind of cross practice area issue, and one that’s really a hot button topic, as we talk about this intergenerational wealth transfer, this Great Succession problem that our country is facing. But before we get into that, tell us a little bit about how you got into these areas. Maybe I’ll start with you, Niki. Did you always want to be a family lawyer?
00:02:04NS:Yeah, sure. So I practised family law for my whole career now. I was actually starting off while I was studying. I worked as a tax accountant at a mid tier firm in Brisbane and very quickly realised that tax accounting was not my calling, although it’s always brilliant to work with a very sharp accountant on family law files, but after university moved into family law, have been here ever since, love dealing with family law because we get to touch on so many different areas in our practice, like every day I’m talking to estates lawyers, criminal lawyers, potentially, depending on what my client’s been up to, property lawyers. And so it’s such a varied practice and I’m lucky I’m in a national law firm. So the type of work we get is probably more the complex property settlement, parenting type matters. So I get to touch on a whole variety of things every day in my practice.
00:02:52DT:Absolutely. Speaking as a corporate advisory and insolvency lawyer, I know that you guys often deal with those issues as well. Dealing with the corporate structures of family businesses that form part of the marital assets, particularly when one of those businesses ends up in liquidation or voluntary administration. Chelsea, what about you? How did you get into Wills and Estates?
00:03:10CB:Well, my career aspiration back in the very beginning was to be a criminal lawyer. But I was placed in a succession law firm on the Gold Coast during my Practical Legal Training, and I just fell in love with the practice area. So from there, I decided that succession was an area that I’d love to continue practising in. I moved from that small firm to Mullins, a big firm. It’s not a national firm, but it’s quite a well known state based firm. We’ve got quite a number of practitioners here and quite a number of different practice areas. So in the matters that I practise in, I can also call on the experience of our personal injury lawyers department, property lawyers upstairs, business services, lawyers, a lot of estate work really relates to everything and anything that a deceased person has touched during their lifetime that we inevitably have to deal with, whether it’s superannuation, tax issues, corporate structures, and all of that requires a wealth of knowledge in each of those respective areas.
00:04:11DT:So I suppose the takeaway there is, both of you already have interdisciplinary practices where you’re touching on a lot of different areas of the law, and our topic today is really how your two practice areas intersect. I said at the top of the episode that Australia is poised for this large intergenerational wealth transfer. What challenges does that present for each of you in your respective areas? I suppose, are you seeing clients coming to you with matters with challenges with advice that they’re seeking that raise some of these issues around intergenerational wealth transfer?
00:04:43NS:So from a family law perspective, children that are potentially expecting to receive large gifts, large inheritances from family will often see me from a wealth protection perspective to put in place a Binding Financial Agreement, and in those circumstances, Binding Financial Agreements, the big issue we’re seeing is a lot of young people coming to us and young people are always the hardest in terms of drafting a Binding Financial Agreement because they haven’t had children yet potentially with their partner, they expect that their financial circumstances will drastically change in the future, and so it is such an element of crystal ball gazing to be able to draft these agreements and think about all these things that might potentially happen in 30 years time when you pull open the drawer and say, “Oh, I actually need this document.”

TIP: A Binding Financial Agreement, or a BFA, is a binding agreement, as its name suggests, between parties which can govern property and spouse maintenance interests if they separate. A BFA can be made before, during, or after a marriage or de facto relationship.

For a BFA to be binding under the Family Law Act, several requirements have to be met. Each party has to receive independent legal advice on specific matters related to the BFA with a certificate of advice from their lawyer annexed to the agreement signed by the legal advisor. The agreement obviously has to be in writing and signed by both parties accompanied by a statement from each party that they did obtain independent legal advice on their rights, and the advantages and disadvantages of entering into the agreement.

Importantly, a BFA made before or during a de facto relationship, will be rendered void if the parties marry, unless the agreement is made under both the marriage and de facto provisions in the Family Law Act. When drafting Binding Financial Agreements from a family law perspective, it’s important that legal practitioners also consider the estate planning considerations too. This includes ensuring that the client’s estate plan aligns with the BFA and explaining the distinct roles and effects of the BFA, and a will or the other state planning documents. This might include clarifying when each document might come into effect, or crystallise, be activated, and discussing how BFAs might impact future family provision claims brought by either party.

That’s the biggest issue for us is people that expect to receive such large inheritance in the future and their circumstances changing so drastically, that is always the riskiest type of agreement for a practitioner to draft, and we’re shifting more towards those sorts of clients as opposed to Binding Financial Agreements previously, you’d probably be dealing more with your second type relationships with children from previous relationships, wealth already established, you know what the structures are like. So I’d say that is the biggest challenge I’m facing from a family law perspective.

00:07:30DT:You’re shifting to that younger set of clients because of this succession wave that’s coming through. There’s an asset to protect there, I suppose, when otherwise people are getting married in their mid twenties, otherwise maybe didn’t have assets that they were thinking about protecting ahead of time.
00:07:46NS:Yes, that’s it.
00:07:47DT:Yeah, and I suppose Chelsea, by its definition, your work is always dealing with intergenerational wealth transfer, but what’s different about this moment in practice compared to another time?
00:07:57CB:Well, I think Niki really made a good point there in terms of the crystal ball analogy. We’re really sitting in a position of that fortune teller scenario where you’re having to assess the future risks that you can’t necessarily envisage for everyone, but you need to at least consider what your client’s interests are, what your client wants, and perhaps what they need. What we’re seeing at the moment is we’ve got intergenerational wealth transfer, but it’s not necessarily just based in Australia, but you may have international assets. We know that borders are opening up again. We already had before COVID, many people purchasing properties overseas. Of course, those laws and jurisdictions are different than what we do in Queensland, so the difference between family law is it’s Commonwealth based and succession is state based, so you have these scenarios where you’ve got assets perhaps based throughout Australia for particular clients and perhaps internationally, and then how you deal with that and how that’s supposed to flow on through the generations. In terms of my practice, you have three scenarios; you’ve got the estate planning perspective, where you need to take into account who the family members are, what the risk exposure is with those families. You then have situations where perhaps you’ve got partners going through separation and need to update their estate planning documents. Perhaps they no longer want their ex partner to receive something from their will. So they’ll need to make some changes in those documents, but then that will trigger a discussion about what the asset pool comprises of, and then if you are going through the middle of a matrimonial property settlement, it’s important that from an estate planning perspective, we don’t jeopardise those negotiations or what assets form part of that pool, and then the third scenario is on death, where you’re having to consider the contributions previously of partners, who’s built up the asset pool and who ought to be entitled, or who believes they ought to be entitled to certain assets of the estate or a sum. So there are wide ranging complexities that we’re all facing at the moment. It’s definitely changed the landscape, it’s definitely changed from standard simple administration to really having to take into account the deceased’s superannuation interests, whether they have any trust structures in the background, whether they have been operating businesses and companies, loan accounts, impacts from taxation perspectives, as well as international assets that might be held there with different laws that apply.
00:10:22DT:It sounds like the intersection between family law considerations and estate planning considerations obviously has an impact on the planning aspect on the front end work, if you like, but it sounds like you’re saying there’s also quite an impact when there’s a dispute involved like a Succession Act family provisions claim.
00:10:38NS:Correct.
00:10:38DT:I want to go back to this idea of the crystal ball gazing because it’s something that, you know, a lot of lawyers experience as a challenge in all sorts of practice areas. I remember when I was teaching contract law, I came across this term in a reading, which was ‘presentiation’. The idea that when you’re drafting a contract, you have to try and think of all of these things that could possibly happen in the future and bring them into the present and try and deal with them now, and the idea of that being an almost futile exercise. Now, Chelsea, I know that you would be telling your clients… an estate planning lawyer I know well is often really, you know, exhorting his clients to do this to say “well, estate planning isn’t something you do once and you forget about it. You should be coming back at every major life event, try to approach it as a regular thing that you need to get advice on.” But Niki, for many couples, especially in their first marriage, doing a Binding Financial Agreement at all can be a bit of an emotional and mental hurdle. They don’t really come back to it regularly in their relationships, do they?
00:11:40NS:Sometimes they do. I think it depends when you put in place the agreement. When you’re putting in place a Binding Financial Agreement, there’s quite a bit of formality that you’ve gotta go through to get the agreement in place because our legislation provides each party must get independent legal advice, so both spouses need their own lawyer. There’s certain technical requirements in the Act that you need to meet. So it is quite a process getting it in place to begin with, but we always tell clients that if big life events happen come back to us so we can give them advice about potentially what that impacts in terms of the agreement and what will happen upon separation at that point and should we review the agreement, and by review the agreement, you’d have to put in place an entirely new agreement. You’d have to enter into a termination agreement with the same formalities as previously, but it’s always easier to do that when things are happy in a relationship and things are going well, as opposed to things having changed and not really reflecting what you want upon separation, that agreement anymore, and it becoming an issue down the track when you do separate as opposed to addressing it when it first happens. So yes, I do tell people if big things happen, for instance, the birth of a child, you should come back to your lawyer and at that point look at, is there anything we need to change in this agreement?
00:12:55DT:Chelsea, I know a bit of a bugbear of estate planning lawyers is that sometimes clients think of the valuable work output as just the documents that get drafted. “I need a will, I need the other ancillary documents, and that’s the value that I’m paying for”, when really it’s the advice and the thought that’s going into the structuring of an estate plan. But to talk about the documents for a little while, when dealing with these sorts of matters where you do have younger clients preparing for a large inheritance, are you finding now that a Binding Financial Agreement is something that you might recommend or advise that the client have prepared, or is it more the case that they might have that prepared already and it’s something that you’re taking into account in the work that you’re doing?
00:13:35CB:It’s definitely something that I recommend based on the discussions with the clients. So I may have young clients that come in, they may be getting ready to get married, so the will would be in contemplation of marriage. Everything is all happy and wonderful, and they’ve got plans to live long and prosperous lives, and retire and enjoy all of the hard work that they’ve been working towards throughout the course of their relationship. In terms of estate planning, whilst it’s all a happy conversation to some extent, I do have to bring in some concepts that perhaps people feel uncomfortable to talk about, which is what do you think would be an issue or in terms of the relationship, if there is a breakdown in the relationship, then how do you think both of you would interact, and how do you think both of you would be splitting the pool that you’ve accumulated? Now, most of the time, the clients are still in that loving bubble and they’re not really interested in considering Binding Financial Agreements, but I do like to stress to them that it’s important to have, or at least obtain family legal advice should that relationship break down. Part of the advice I also give is discussion surrounding again, updating the document, especially if there’s major life events, so sales acquisitions, and disposals of property, changes in relationships. Some people don’t know that in Queensland, if you do separate, there are provisions in the Succession Act that will render appointments of executors as invalid or revoked and any gifts will be revoked as well. But let’s say you might be in your second relationship and you’ve decided to provide for your new spouse and perhaps their children, so your stepchildren, and whilst that separation will revoke any appointments to the ex spouse and any dispositions of gifts to the ex spouse, if you do have clauses in there for stepchildren, they will not necessarily be revoked. So again, it’s important to come back and review the estate planning documents that you have, but certainly in the initial phases of the consultation, I will bring up the question of whether they need to consider Binding Financial Agreements. It comes down to assessing the asset pool of each of the parties. A lot of the younger clients that I do see, they’re still building up that asset pool. They haven’t necessarily got too much, and they do provide instructions that sort of say, if they haven’t got kids yet, then they want their share of property to go back to their own families. So that’s a bit of a crafting and drafting minefield, to take into account parents and siblings that might receive, or they intend to receive perhaps a jointly held property, which doesn’t automatically form part of their estate,
00:16:09NS:Just going back to your question, David, when clients in the initial stages come and see me, the conversation we always have is best case scenario. This is a document you do now that sits in a drawer and you never pull it out again, but it is that small chance that you will need that document, you will thank yourself in the future that you have done that and you’ve gone through that process so early on.
00:16:29CB:Absolutely, and I’d say to add to that, a well drafted document too. So some clients that I come across, if we’re looking at trust deeds and trust documents, they might have just got a boiler plate copy online or through perhaps a particular firm or firms that aren’t providing a suite of information or advice that attaches with it, and when the inevitable does happen with breakdowns and separations of relationships, and we start reviewing those documents, we identify that there significant issues or holes in those documents that aren’t necessarily protecting their interests that they thought might have been protected.
00:17:02DT:Niki, I had a similar question for you, in that I suppose you mentioned before that often people who are having Binding Financial Agreements prepared are commencing a second long term relationship or a second marriage. They’re maybe a little bit later in their lives, they have some assets that they want to protect. They probably already have received some estate planning advice and you’re doing a lot of this work in the context of that estate plan, but as your client base skews younger, is it the case that a lot of people are actually coming to you for a Binding Financial Agreement and they haven’t yet got their own estate planning advice or their own estate planning documents all set up?
00:17:37NS:Yeah, certainly. I don’t know what the stats are, Chelsea would be probably able to tell me more about that, but most people don’t have wills.
00:17:44CB:Correct.
00:17:44NS:And I think when you’re doing a wealth protection plan, there are two big life events that people think about, and that is death and separation. So I can only do one of those parts, and then I will always, if somebody doesn’t already have their estate plan in place, refer them onto a good succession estates lawyer to get that in place as well, and I would ideally work with that person to make sure whatever I’m doing in the Binding Financial Agreement is consistent with what they’re trying to achieve in their estate plan as well.
00:18:12DT:And I suppose in an ideal world, everything in those documents is consistent, right? That there’s a neat synthesis between what’s going on in each of those documents. There’s very little ambiguity in terms of the parties’ respective claims on different assets. But, I could easily imagine a situation where a will is providing for one flow of funds or the proceeds of the sale of a certain asset or the transfer of a certain asset, and a Binding Financial Agreement is saying something different about what should happen with that asset. So, what happens in that situation? What happens when both documents are engaged? I suppose I’m imagining a situation where a party is going through a separation but passes away, maybe that’s the appropriate scenario, although you might be better able to tell me. What happens in the event of a conflict of those documents?
00:18:56NS:Sure. So it’s really a timing thing more than anything, right? So a Binding Financial Agreement will come into effect upon separation of spouses, and there’s formal requirements about signing separation declarations in some circumstances, but essentially that’s a document that comes into force when there’s a separation that has occurred.

TIP: A separation declaration is a formal written document that complies with section 90XP of the Family Law Act, and it’s a document that certifies that the parties either were married or in a de facto relationship, specifies the date of their separation from that relationship, and asserts that there’s no reasonable likelihood of reconciliation between the parties.

The separation declaration serves several important purposes. First, it helps establish the date of separation, crucial for determining things like financial settlements, eligibility for divorce, limitation periods, and additionally, it might be necessary when dividing superannuation, updating bank account details, or accessing government benefits. This document is especially consequential if the separated parties are continuing to live under the same roof, as the Family Law Act recognises the separation even if the parties still reside together and share household responsibilities like cooking, cleaning and gardening.

A separation declaration can be integrated into applications for court orders or a Binding Financial Agreement, with the latter only becoming effective after both parties sign the declaration. While only one party’s signature is required for the declaration, obtaining both signatures is. can result in a smoother process and help prevent misunderstandings later on.

A will, on the other hand, comes into force when the willmaker dies, so it’s really the timing of the documents that’s going to affect which one takes precedence. So if we’ve got two spouses and they separate, neither of them have passed away, well it’s the Binding Financial Agreement that’s the relevant document, but if we’ve got the death of one of the spouses there’s been no separation, well that’s the will is the document that you look to. Chelsea would be able to speak more upon family provision applications and the relevance of a Binding Financial Agreement to those, which is state based. So we’re Queensland practitioners, that does differ to New South Wales, but that’s the biggest thing is the actual timing.

00:21:09DT:And the BFA is enlivened on separation, right? Rather than say, a decree nisi.
00:21:16NS:Yes. So there’s provisions in our Family Law Act 1975 (Cth), which say upon a party signing a separation declaration, and there’s certain things that you’ve got to include in the separation declaration.
00:21:27DT:So far today, we’ve been talking about advising the younger client on receiving an inheritance, I suppose, and the estate planning and Binding Financial Agreement considerations around that. But of course, there’s another side to this, both from an estate planning perspective and from a family law perspective, which is advising the parents of these young people who are soon to receive an inheritance, and I suppose what’s often also taking place is not just these being testamentary gifts, but they might be large sums of money or other property being gifted before that in retirement, or we know that the bank of mum and dad, if it were a real bank, would be Australia’s fourth largest lender, I think something like that, so when we’re talking about these large, both living and testamentary gifts, I’ll start with you, Chelsea, how do you go about advising parents on protecting those gifts that they’re giving to their children so they don’t later form part of a matrimonial asset pool if they separate from their partner.
00:22:22CB:Well, I think, you know, you’ll have a frank discussion with the clients about what they want and what you think they need in terms of preserving those assets. It does come down to whether you want to utilise trust structures. Obviously, if a gift is made in life, there’s several issues that spin off from that, and one of them might be “well, what are the ages of the parents making the gifts? Are they elderly? And in that case, if they are elderly, do we have powers of attorney that are in place in favour of the child that’s receiving the gift?” Because that will create its own issues in terms of when that parent passes away, whether another child will allege that that particular sibling has pressured to some extent the parent to give them that gift. But if we’re concerned about preserving that gift and keeping it outside of the matrimonial property pool, I think again, it comes back to having a discussion with a family lawyer in terms of what forms part of the matrimonial property pool during the course of a relationship between a child and their partner. The use of a trust structure might assist, but then you would have to have quite a detailed review of that trust deed to make sure that appointments of trustees and appointors and the classes of beneficiaries don’t impact how that forms part of the matrimonial pool, so I would say trust structures would be one that’s important. The other one that you could have to think about more often, I see parents gifting money to children to acquire perhaps their first property, and the partner of the child may not be contributing anything to the acquisition of that property, so parents might want to consider whether there are loan agreements in place or registering mortgages on title of that particular property. That would be one way to ensure that the recovery, let’s say, of the funds that they’ve loaned to their children, and if there is a separation, that the parent would form a creditor and that debt would be a liability that would be considered as part of the asset pool, I’d say, of a matrimonial split.
00:24:16NS:Yeah, so from a family law perspective, my concern relates to ensuring that a gift that a parent gives to a child remains in the hands of that child and not their spouse when they separate, and that’s in the context of our family law system, where in Australia we don’t have any provision that carves off inheritances, gifts, initial financial contributions… There’s no concept of removing that entirely from the property pool available for division between the spouses. Certainly there’s some overseas jurisdictions. I think the UK might be one of them where they’ve got this quarantining. We don’t in Australia. So my concern then usually, I’d be saying to the parent “you need to talk about getting your child in to see a family lawyer about a Binding Financial Agreement.” But if that’s not a conversation the child wants to have with their spouse, because obviously a parent can’t force your child to do that, I agree with Chelsea in terms of if it’s say, the typical example is the $200,000 a parent gives to their child to buy their first property. Can we send them off to a commercial lawyer to get a loan agreement in place registered over the title? So that money comes back to the parent when there’s a separation.
00:25:29CB:And I suppose the other avenue to think about there is whilst we could have this loan structure, I mean, you could have this loan structure in place and let’s say the parent does die, the executor of the parent’s estate would then call on that loan to be repaid into the estate and then you’d have to give considerations as to who were the beneficiaries under the terms of the will and is it the child or the child anyway that receives a portion of that inheritance back to them and then it ends up back in the matrimonial property pool, unless the will has, let’s say, testamentary discretionary trusts in there, and again, you’d have to go through a complex drafting exercise, and then again, have a conversation with a family lawyer about how that would all interact. So I think it comes back to, you need a full suite of documents to protect and preserve assets, and then also making sure that again, any life events that are happening, that these documents are still in place and are still going to do the job that they need to.
00:26:20NS:And just on that, I suppose, pool of assets and what goes into it, if there’s been gifts and money from family, by all means, the child that receives the benefit of that gets credit for their contribution from their parents and potentially greater adjustment of the net assets, but the issue is they’re not going to get a dollar for dollar back, and it’s not going to go straight back to the parents unless there’s some binding document, which provides for that.
00:26:43DT:And I suppose there are other assets where the entitlement to them can be affected by factors outside of the corners of the BFA or the will. I’m thinking, of course, about superannuation and death benefit nominations or in the family law context, a joint tenancy where the starting position is that the party’s interest in that property is transferred to the other joint tenant or joint tenants.

TIP: Death benefit nominations determine how funds in a superannuation account are distributed upon the account holder’s death. These funds are typically managed by the trustee of the super fund and they’re not part of the deceased’s estate. They form what’s sometimes described in the Succession Act as the notional estate of the deceased. There are two main types of death benefit nominations, binding and non-binding. A non-binding nomination serves as a guide for the trustee but doesn’t obligate them to follow it. The trustee considers the deceased’s wishes, the entitlements of family members and the beneficiary’s circumstances before making a decision.

In contrast, a binding death benefit nomination mandates the trustee to distribute death benefits according to the deceased’s specific instructions. A binding death benefit nomination is valid for three years unless it’s a non lapsing binding death benefit nomination, which remains effective indefinitely until it’s changed or cancelled.

For a nomination to be legally binding, it has to be in writing, of course, properly signed by the deceased, dated, witnessed by a third party, so not the beneficiary of the nomination, and received by the trustee of the superfund. Additionally, only certain people are eligible to be binding death benefit nomination recipients. Only dependents, like spouses, children, or individuals in interdependent relationships, close personal or domestic relationships, for example, are eligible to receive death benefits. However, even a valid binding death benefit nomination can be contested.

In New South Wales, for example, claims for family provision under the Succession Act 2006 (NSW) can include claims on the deceased’s notional estate, including benefits assigned under a valid binding death benefit nomination, if the actual estate of the deceased lacks sufficient assets to meet the family provision claim.

So what is the impact, well let’s start with the BFA, I suppose, on the default position as regards to a joint tenancy?

00:28:57NS:It sort of depends how you draft the BFA, right? So some BFAs you’ll draft will be, this is the easiest way to probably draft a BFA… “All property that is in my sole name is mine upon separation. All property that is in joint names we divide either 50/50 or in the share of our contribution to that property.” So it depends upon the drafting. If you’ve got a BFA that says all joint property be divided 50/50, well then a joint tenancy would go 50/50, but we would draft it so tenants in common property say there’s a 70% share to one spouse, 30% share to the other spouse, the BFA might say you divide tenants in common in terms of your entitlement on the title of the property. So it really totally depends upon the drafting and intentions.
00:29:46DT:Got it. I want to go back to family provisions claims for a moment because you both mentioned having this broader constellation of documents and considerations to fully protect these sorts of gifts that are made inter vivos or provisions that are made as part of this wealth transfer. I know one of the things that is sometimes explored as part of a robust estate planning matter might be seeking releases or waivers of the ability to make a family provision claim in the future, often in consideration for some inter vivos gift. I know that’s a very difficult thing to achieve. I might first ask you, Chelsea, about that process and how effective it is.
00:30:27CB:So certainly releases and disclaimers in New South Wales, that’s an opportunity available to spouses. In Queensland, we don’t have that. In Queensland, we can’t contract out of claims for further provision, and whilst you may enter into heads of agreements or deeds, the courts won’t hold that up as binding in Queensland. It may be persuasive in terms of what the parties were attempting to achieve, but the courts can set that to one side and consider what the need is of the particular applicant. So in terms of the actual steps and strategies through a New South Wales perspective, I probably couldn’t talk too much about that in great detail, but certainly from a Queensland perspective, this is an example; there may be a scenario where you have a couple de facto relationship. So one spouse may have lost capacity and there may be an argument between the children to a prior relationship between the step de facto parent, and there may be an agreement between all of them that that de facto spouse would receive a share or a lump sum of money to basically avoid any claim for further provision being brought later on down the track. Now that’s not strictly binding. If that de facto spouse does receive the money that was agreed to via a mediation and an agreement reached, their ability to claim for further provision isn’t extinguished. So the best way to work around that in terms of Queensland, would be to seek a family lawyer and see whether there is any potential there to bring about by the children on behalf of the incapacitated parent, a formal separation between both the de facto spouses to actually properly sever that person’s ability to bring a claim for further provision. You may even have a spin off from that where, let’s say that the elderly spouse who has lost capacity never quite made a will, and so there needs to be considerations about whether a statutory will application needs to be made in order to avoid any funds being gifted to this de facto spouse, and that’s a whole other kettle of fish, I suppose. But in terms of Queensland, what would likely happen is an eligible applicant would claim for further provision. They’d put the estate on notice within six months from the date of death. That’s different in each state and territory, and then nine months from the date of death in Queensland, they are required to basically file their affidavit and application documents and serve it on all the parties. After that point, there may be an opportunity to negotiate between all the parties and try and settle it and resolve it early on, rather than expending considerable amount of legal fees and mental anguish and hopefully resolve it that way. If not, it would proceed to trial. In which case, if there are documents and BFAs and heads of agreement, the court will take that all into consideration, but we’ll also want to see what material or what assets were brought in by the claiming spouse and whether they ought to be provided for, and there may even be an argument in equity as well, even if there is perhaps an agreement that they don’t receive anything, have they put in their own money and their own assets to build up the asset pool of the deceased and whether there’s an equitable claim there?
00:33:32DT:I suppose, I’m thinking about documents like a statement of wishes that you might have prepared in an estate planning matter that are not legally binding but are nevertheless useful for the beneficiaries of the will to be guided as to the wishes of the deceased. Do you ever look at preparing these releases or something like them, notwithstanding that they’re not binding in Queensland? Because I can imagine, as you said, one of the first steps in a family provisions matter is for the claimant to set out their need for further provision in an affidavit, a statement in a release or in a deed that they have received a gift of this amount and it adequately provides for their current and future needs, I imagine would be a fairly powerful prior and consistent statement to put to them.
00:34:10CB:Correct. So if we’re looking at statement of wishes or perhaps if the testator is preparing a statutory declaration or an affidavit as to why they’re not making or not providing further provision to their children or spouse, those statements are important and can be taken into account when considering the division or distributions of gifts. The only thing that I’d say about the statement of wishes or a stat dec or an affidavit is yeah, they’re not binding, and also if you consider it from a litigator or a successional litigator’s perspective, they’re also very easy to pull apart. If you have the deceased that’s written this, this is basically the last document that they’ve left, you don’t have the benefit of seeking more evidence from them about further reasons as to why they’ve made these documents. So, a poorly prepared statement of wishes or affidavit and stat dec can really leave the door open for an applicant to be successful in their claim for further provision, because there may be several deficiencies in there.
00:35:07NS:I regularly see in Binding Financial Agreements that sometimes the drafting includes a clause to the effect that the spouse will make no claim upon the other party’s estate and what they’re getting under the agreement, they agree is adequate in terms of provision they might later receive under the estate, and it is state based in Queensland. The advice is always that while you could include that in a Binding Financial Agreement, and you probably want your estate lawyer to look over that, it’s not going to be binding. But there’s certainly cases, I think Kozak v Matthews [2007] QCA 296, Singer v Berghouse [1994] HCA 40, where statements made in a prenuptial agreement were considered by the court as relevant consideration.

TIP: So Niki’s just mentioned a case, Kozak v Matthews [2007] QCA 296. In that case, Peter Kozak, a farm labourer, was in a de facto relationship with the wealthy Jacqueline Messer and they entered into a binding financial agreement to prevent claims against each other’s estates, although I get the feeling it was Jacqueline Messer’s estate that might have needed protecting. Messer had terminal cancer and died shortly after the BFA was executed. Kozak then made a family provision claim against her estate, seeking enough funds to buy a house. At first instance, the Supreme Court of Queensland, in a decision by Justice Hellman, ruled that the BFA didn’t prevent the claim, but dismissed it anyway, concluding that adequate provision had been made for Kozak in Messer’s will. That decision was based on Kozak’s financial position, the size and nature of Messer’s estate, and the legitimate claims of other beneficiaries on the estate. Although Kozak argued that he hadn’t read the deed or received legal advice, the Court of Appeal found that he understood the effect of the BFA, and the court unanimously dismissed his appeal, affirming that adequate provision had been made for Kozak. The judgment emphasized the significance of A BFA and the need to consider the totality of the circumstances and competing claims when determining the adequacy of provision for a claimant in a family provision matter.

So Niki just mentioned another case, Singer v Berghouse [1994] HCA 40. In that case, the High Court considered an appeal of the appellant’s claim for family provision from her deceased husband’s estate under the Family Provision Act 1982 (NSW). That’s the predecessor legislation to the now enacted Succession Act 2006 (NSW). Singer, the widow, had been married to the deceased for 11 months before his death and his will, which reflected an agreement made before they were married stipulated that property acquired before their marriage would pass to his son while she would receive proceeds from their post marriage property acquisitions. Despite Singer’s health challenges and limited earning capacity after moving to Sydney for her husband, the court ruled against her, noting that she hadn’t sufficiently demonstrated a lack of adequate provision under the estate.

I qualify this by saying I’m not a New South Wales practitioner, but we have at my firm, lawyers in Sydney that regularly draft a Binding Financial Agreement alongside a separate Deed of Release that deals with contracting out of family provision claims.

00:38:04DT:Yeah, which makes sense because under the Succession Act, a former spouse is explicitly an eligible applicant for those sorts of claims, so you would want to deal with them. I’m thinking about the case, and I’ve forgotten the name of it, but the one where this can backfire a little bit, where a claimant was found to be an eligible applicant after the testator had explicitly stated in their will that they weren’t to receive anything because by making that statement in their will, they had indicated they were a subject of testamentary recognition, nd so there’s a risk that it goes the wrong way, I suppose, if you’re not doing it in a binding jurisdiction.
00:38:37CB:Absolutely. Whilst you can include those clauses in the will, I like to stay away from those clauses in the will because they aren’t binding. So, your client’s paying for something that’s not necessarily going to be doing what they hope it’s going to do. So normally I’d have a frank discussion with them and say “look, we can put this in, but there’s nothing more that you can do. You can’t necessarily rule from the grave, and whilst you have entire testamentary freedom to dispose of your estate however you wish, the legislation still recognises applicants who may be unfairly disadvantaged as a result of that testator’s free ability to dispose of their estate.” So there are protections there for people who ought to be provided for. And so in that circumstance and in that particular case, it was recognised that whilst that clause is in the will, the court considered basically the need of that particular applicant, and I suppose if you look at this from an external perspective, If you do have a testator who has a significant amount of wealth and then you have their spouse or children who aren’t provided for and they’ve deliberately excluded them, but a gift by the testator would help that person and their future need and in their life, then the court will certainly look at that and consider that further provision ought to be provided to that person. Certainly a clause in the will like that is not enough to avoid that applicant being successful in a claim.
00:39:52DT:Niki, today we’ve been talking about, for the most part, how Binding Financial Agreements can bring a sort of, conclusive end to the financial relationship between the parties to them, and given that we’re talking about it in the context of estate planning, that makes a lot of sense. But a Binding Financial Agreement can also deal with maintenance provisions, can’t it? What are some of the considerations around that?
00:40:11NS:Yeah, sure. So I think as a starting point, it’s worthwhile talking about how there’s two separate issues. So one is property settlement and the other is spousal maintenance. So a property settlement deals with property adjustment between the parties, so the movement of capital between them upon separation, whereas spousal maintenance is the payment of a sum by one party to the other for their financial support. So one is capital based, one is income based, and when we’re drafting Binding Financial Agreements, we can deal with both of those issues in the agreement. A maintenance clause that you can put in a Binding Financial Agreement during or after, so during a marriage or after a divorce or both, or upon the breakdown of the de facto relationship, but what we’ve got to be mindful of is that when, for instance, the court makes a maintenance order, there’s provisions in our legislation which provide that the payment of maintenance will cease upon the death of one of the parties or upon the marriage of the payee, whereas we don’t have that in the legislation for Binding Financial Agreements. So, you just have to be careful when you’re drafting these agreements to make sure that there is an end date for the payment of maintenance, because otherwise it can be ongoing even after death and binding upon an estate.
00:41:31DT:Yeah, wow. That is an important consideration to make, I hadn’t appreciated that.
00:41:34NS:Yeah look, most agreements, people want to tie off maintenance altogether, so you’ll be doing clauses that offset maintenance so neither party pays maintenance to the other, But if you are drafting for maintenance, it’s just worthwhile having that in mind.
00:41:46CB:Now, just on that point, if it isn’t closed off, the other difficulty is the estate can never be wound up. You know, If the estate is bound by this, then how long does this run for the estate? Are we looking at months, years? Normally when you have a state administration, it gets to a point where the beneficiaries are exhausted and fatigued and they just want them out of wound up. So I would just add that in. How long is it going to take before the estate can be finalised?
00:42:10DT:Yeah, and what constitutes the residue of an estate where you have a monetary payment being made on an indefinite basis into the future? It sounds like the sort of thing that you’d want to get in a room and settle rather than work out the strict legal rights of everyone there. Well, Niki, Chelsea, we’re nearly out of time, but one thing I’d observe is although we’ve had you both on the show as subject matter experts in your respective fields, it’s clear that you both know a lot about both areas, and I think having that working knowledge of family law as a estate planning practitioner and of estate planning as a family law practitioner is really important. How do you each keep up to date on your respective fields and the ones that are adjacent to it that are important to know?
00:42:51NS:Oh, we go to coffee a lot, and lunch.
00:42:56CB:I think that’s it though; just networking, staying in contact with your fellow colleagues as well. I think the other thing I’d probably mention in here as well is whilst it’s also important for family lawyers and succession lawyers to interact, it’s also important for there to be an interaction with financial advisors and accountants as well, because if you do have clients who have significant asset pools, preparation of these documents and changes of documents or deeds of variation, it can also trigger impacts and implications from a tax perspective as well as a financial perspective, but certainly staying up to date, frequent coffees, and also there’s some great memberships out there in the profession that you can subscribe to, so… keeps you up to date.
00:43:36DT:Great tips, and we’ll include some of those in the show notes of this episode. Well, Niki, Chelsea, thank you so much for joining me today on Hearsay the Legal Podcast.
00:43:43CB:Thank you.
00:43:43NS:Thank you for having us.
00:43:54DT:As always, you’ve been listening to Hearsay the Legal Podcast. I’d like to thank both my guests today, Niki Schomberg and Chelsea Baker, for coming on the show. Now, if you’re looking for more content in the wills and estates space, check out our episode with Anne Brown. It’s episode 81 and it’s called Will They or Won’t They? Combating Ambiguity in Wills. In that episode, Anne discusses intestacy, ambiguity, and best practices in will drafting.

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